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		<title>By: &#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#62; Blog Archive &#187; BookLyfe, or Compendium #1</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>&#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#62; Blog Archive &#187; BookLyfe, or Compendium #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the business side, The Word Hoarder hosts a lively and deep conversation about the relationship of e-book and bookseller, e-book and consumer.  And in an sometimes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the IT guy over at the UNC Press (on the other side of the state from Malaprops -- a book store I make a point of visiting when we&#039;re in Asheville, btw).  We, like most publishers, are trying to wrap our heads around the ebook idea and seeking out ways of making them profitable for us as well as for distributors.

Since most of the readers of this blog appear to be independent book sellers, you all have much more interaction with the book-buying public.  Have any of you tried to ask them what kinds of content they&#039;re looking for in e-format vs p-format?  What kind of pricing they&#039;re expecting?  What types of sales models they would be willing to support/not support?

(fwiw, we&#039;ve starting an informal bit of questioning with our student interns.  Sany of them have expressed a preference for text books in an e-format (i.e. iPhone). )

-- tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the IT guy over at the UNC Press (on the other side of the state from Malaprops &#8212; a book store I make a point of visiting when we&#8217;re in Asheville, btw).  We, like most publishers, are trying to wrap our heads around the ebook idea and seeking out ways of making them profitable for us as well as for distributors.</p>
<p>Since most of the readers of this blog appear to be independent book sellers, you all have much more interaction with the book-buying public.  Have any of you tried to ask them what kinds of content they&#8217;re looking for in e-format vs p-format?  What kind of pricing they&#8217;re expecting?  What types of sales models they would be willing to support/not support?</p>
<p>(fwiw, we&#8217;ve starting an informal bit of questioning with our student interns.  Sany of them have expressed a preference for text books in an e-format (i.e. iPhone). )</p>
<p>&#8211; tom</p>
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		<title>By: To return or not to return: is that the right question? &#171; The Word Hoarder</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>To return or not to return: is that the right question? &#171; The Word Hoarder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I want to explore each of the four cornerstone assumptions/truths that make the book industry what it is. As an organizing metaphor, I suggest that we picture  the book industry as a simple table (four legs, one horizontal surface): radically change one of these basic assumptions and you’ve essentially cut one leg off, with predictable results.  A. Books are physical objects made of paper bound between covers. Still true, but ebooks are gaining market share. For more discussion about ebooks, check out last week&#8217;s post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I want to explore each of the four cornerstone assumptions/truths that make the book industry what it is. As an organizing metaphor, I suggest that we picture  the book industry as a simple table (four legs, one horizontal surface): radically change one of these basic assumptions and you’ve essentially cut one leg off, with predictable results.  A. Books are physical objects made of paper bound between covers. Still true, but ebooks are gaining market share. For more discussion about ebooks, check out last week&#8217;s post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion, Rich. 

We have a few frustrations at our bookstore regarding ereaders. We would like to sell them, but have been unable to find a source for them. Contacts with Sony and other distributors have not worked out. Anyone have any contacts out there? In a recent email with the ABA it sounded like they were renewing contact with Sony to work out a deal for distribution to ABA booksellers, but I haven&#039;t heard any news on that. 

As it is now, through ABA sites, ebooks receive a short discount for booksellers, and though costs are less for booksellers because there is no shipping and handling of books, this is not a good trend.  If it becomes acceptable for publishers and distributors to offer short discounts on ebooks to keep the retail price down (and publishers are saying that the ebook format is not that much less expensive for them to produce than print books), it will threaten the ability of bookstores to stay in business, as the profit margin is already so slim. Because Amazon is offering ebooks for a cheap price, it will be hard for indie booksellers to be competitive (yet again.)

As far as the Symtio card; I really don&#039;t think that is a good solution for keeping booksellers in the loop. Wouldn&#039;t most people prefer direct download and not messing with, or having to keep track of, a card?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion, Rich. </p>
<p>We have a few frustrations at our bookstore regarding ereaders. We would like to sell them, but have been unable to find a source for them. Contacts with Sony and other distributors have not worked out. Anyone have any contacts out there? In a recent email with the ABA it sounded like they were renewing contact with Sony to work out a deal for distribution to ABA booksellers, but I haven&#8217;t heard any news on that. </p>
<p>As it is now, through ABA sites, ebooks receive a short discount for booksellers, and though costs are less for booksellers because there is no shipping and handling of books, this is not a good trend.  If it becomes acceptable for publishers and distributors to offer short discounts on ebooks to keep the retail price down (and publishers are saying that the ebook format is not that much less expensive for them to produce than print books), it will threaten the ability of bookstores to stay in business, as the profit margin is already so slim. Because Amazon is offering ebooks for a cheap price, it will be hard for indie booksellers to be competitive (yet again.)</p>
<p>As far as the Symtio card; I really don&#8217;t think that is a good solution for keeping booksellers in the loop. Wouldn&#8217;t most people prefer direct download and not messing with, or having to keep track of, a card?</p>
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		<title>By: The Kindle 2, unpacked. &#171; Nantucket Blogworks</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>The Kindle 2, unpacked. &#171; Nantucket Blogworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in daily on this discussion, so for starters check out what Patrick from Vroman&#8217;s, Rich Rennicks from Malaprops, and Arsen Kashkashian from Boulder Bookstore have to say. Slate also has a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hélène,

As a bookseller,  I tend to forget that this is an international issue. I know many of our publishing colleagues get to go to Frankfurt and keep in touch with developments in Europe, but booksellers don&#039;t get out as much. 

Please feel free to translate my blog post and circulate among your colleagues. Hopefully, it will help spur discussion among the front line booksellers. 

I hope the French government amend the Loi Lang to include ebooks. Not to do so would be to completely tilt the playing field.

As for Google, I&#039;m not up to speed on their ebook sales plans. I&#039;ve looked at their book search program and noted that it includes many newer, in copyright, books by arrangement with the publishers. As some pages within the books are not included, I think the utility of Google book search for reading a complete book is marginal, and the interface is not as easy on the eyes as Adobe Digital Editions or some of the other ereader platforms. 

Perhaps somebody else can talk knowledgeably about Google&#039;s ebook sales plans?

I hope you&#039;ll report back on any interesting discussion or ideas in European publishing &amp; bookselling. I encourage you to join twitter (http://twitter.com/home) if you have not already done so, as there is a very active community of booksellers and publishers talking about these issues there, and it&#039;s opened up the &quot;future of publishing&quot; discussion tremendously.

Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hélène,</p>
<p>As a bookseller,  I tend to forget that this is an international issue. I know many of our publishing colleagues get to go to Frankfurt and keep in touch with developments in Europe, but booksellers don&#8217;t get out as much. </p>
<p>Please feel free to translate my blog post and circulate among your colleagues. Hopefully, it will help spur discussion among the front line booksellers. </p>
<p>I hope the French government amend the Loi Lang to include ebooks. Not to do so would be to completely tilt the playing field.</p>
<p>As for Google, I&#8217;m not up to speed on their ebook sales plans. I&#8217;ve looked at their book search program and noted that it includes many newer, in copyright, books by arrangement with the publishers. As some pages within the books are not included, I think the utility of Google book search for reading a complete book is marginal, and the interface is not as easy on the eyes as Adobe Digital Editions or some of the other ereader platforms. </p>
<p>Perhaps somebody else can talk knowledgeably about Google&#8217;s ebook sales plans?</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll report back on any interesting discussion or ideas in European publishing &amp; bookselling. I encourage you to join twitter (<a href="http://twitter.com/home" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/home</a>) if you have not already done so, as there is a very active community of booksellers and publishers talking about these issues there, and it&#8217;s opened up the &#8220;future of publishing&#8221; discussion tremendously.</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Hélène</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Hélène</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there,

I follow this conversation from France. I work at an &quot;ABA like&quot; organization called SLF for french independant booksellers, in Paris. We do have the same problems around here. I would love to make a small translation of the article (so interesting) for them, since we have on facebook a discussion group on those topics ...(Livre 2.0). Would you mind ?

Here in France, we do have big discussions with the publishers (and the ministry of culture)  about the price of the ebook since the &quot;Loi Lang&quot; (a law that puts the physical book at the same sell-price for each booksellers...) does not fit to the ebooks... The fear is the developpment of a discount process on that type of products by those who can afford losing money  like Amazon...

One question, what about Google selling the ebooks directly to the customers ? What is your position about that ?

Have a nice day 
Hélène</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,</p>
<p>I follow this conversation from France. I work at an &#8220;ABA like&#8221; organization called SLF for french independant booksellers, in Paris. We do have the same problems around here. I would love to make a small translation of the article (so interesting) for them, since we have on facebook a discussion group on those topics &#8230;(Livre 2.0). Would you mind ?</p>
<p>Here in France, we do have big discussions with the publishers (and the ministry of culture)  about the price of the ebook since the &#8220;Loi Lang&#8221; (a law that puts the physical book at the same sell-price for each booksellers&#8230;) does not fit to the ebooks&#8230; The fear is the developpment of a discount process on that type of products by those who can afford losing money  like Amazon&#8230;</p>
<p>One question, what about Google selling the ebooks directly to the customers ? What is your position about that ?</p>
<p>Have a nice day<br />
Hélène</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of one really good use for an e-reader --- ARCs.  Publishers could save a small fortune by distribiting galleys/ARCs via ebook format.  No more postage.  And my bookshelves would look prettier filled with final copies rather than ARCs waiting to be read.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of one really good use for an e-reader &#8212; ARCs.  Publishers could save a small fortune by distribiting galleys/ARCs via ebook format.  No more postage.  And my bookshelves would look prettier filled with final copies rather than ARCs waiting to be read.</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
		<link>http://wordhoarder.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/what-about-eebooks/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>affiliate with Amazon for the Kindle?? I didn&#039;t think &#039;we&#039; indies could sell the kindle??  I was just thinking that ebooks might be similiar to what photo shops did when digital cameras became the &#039;norm&#039; - as I was digging through pics and seeing that they were all about 5yrs old - the photoshops started offering great deals and packages for printing/pkging your digital photos - just some random thoughts  -  I want to get onboard with whatever we need to do to accomodate the ebook customer - I don&#039;t want to miss out-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>affiliate with Amazon for the Kindle?? I didn&#8217;t think &#8216;we&#8217; indies could sell the kindle??  I was just thinking that ebooks might be similiar to what photo shops did when digital cameras became the &#8216;norm&#8217; &#8211; as I was digging through pics and seeing that they were all about 5yrs old &#8211; the photoshops started offering great deals and packages for printing/pkging your digital photos &#8211; just some random thoughts  &#8211;  I want to get onboard with whatever we need to do to accomodate the ebook customer &#8211; I don&#8217;t want to miss out-</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the in-store demo Kindle, iPhone, etc., which is a fascinating idea, AMZN, Lexcycle &amp; Sony should be training booksellers how to use them.  Maybe @ BEA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the in-store demo Kindle, iPhone, etc., which is a fascinating idea, AMZN, Lexcycle &amp; Sony should be training booksellers how to use them.  Maybe @ BEA?</p>
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